Work without Borders 跨越职场边界:凯文与小花北美视角

”Work without Borders” is a thought-provoking podcast that focuses on comparing the job markets in North America and China through in-depth discussions. Hosted by Calvin, a data guru at a leading FAANG company in North America, and Flora, a sophisticated venture capital consultant, the podcast delves into hot topics and shares valuable insights into both the North American and Chinese job landscapes. The program is predominantly conducted in Chinese, with occasional guests who converse in either Chinese or English. Episodes are published every Wednesday on Xiao Yu Zhou, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and Spotify Podcasts simultaneously. “跨越职场边界”是一档专注北美和中国职场对比的深度对谈播客节目,FAANG 北美大厂数据人凯文和资深风投顾问小花结合自身经验,针对热门话题,分享北美及国内职场洞察。节目以中文为主,不定期邀请中英文嘉宾参与讨论,每周三在小宇宙、Apple Podcasts 和 Spotify Podcast同步上线。 If you have any other questions or would like to have business collaborations, please email us at workwithoutborders.podcast@gmail.com 若有任何问题或想与我们交流, 请发送邮件至 workwithoutborders.podcast@gmail.com

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Sunday Nov 30, 2025

本期我们请到了小花以前广告公司的同事,来聊聊她是如何经历了漫长的自觉最后选择成为一名催眠治疗师的。
她不仅经历了痛苦的至暗时刻,也经历了很多觉醒的美好,每个人最终都会走到属于自己的道路上去,希望这一期 Tara 充满疗愈的声线和真诚的故事能够给到大家启发和平静。

Tuesday Nov 11, 2025

最近,“裁员”几乎成了打工人最不想听到的两个字。年初某书的“乱杀”、前几天某麻的大刀阔斧,让职场人人心惶惶。AI 带来了前所未有的效率提升,但同时也让许多人开始担心:下一个,会不会是我?
在这一期节目里,小花和凯文就聊了聊这股“裁员潮”背后的逻辑。我们讨论了为什么裁员往往和你的绩效关系不大,它和90年代的下岗潮有何不同,也分享了小花亲身经历裁员后的心路历程。面对裁员,有人选择焦虑,有人选择重启。我们想说,也许这并不只是失业,而是一场对人生支点的重新分配。
在这样的时代背景下,最重要的可能不是“如何不被裁”,而是“被裁之后,你还剩下什么”。一颗红心,两手准备——工作要好好干,后路也要留好。希望这一期,能在动荡的职场环境里,带给你一点安定的力量。
 
-0:45 裁员的大潮汹涌而来
-5:00 裁员大概率跟你的绩效没有太大关系
-5:30 这波大裁员和90年代的下岗潮有什么区别
-7:45 人挪活,树挪死,挑战还是机遇?
-10:20 一颗红心,两手准备,工作好好干,后路也留好
-13:00 小花裁员亲身经历分享
-18:30 丢掉工作过后应该干点什么?是随便先找一份工作还是认真准备下一个专业对口的面试
-23:00 如今的经济大环境,心态回归理性,不能跟以前比较
-30:00 世界说到底就是个大草台班子,战术上重视,战略上放松
-35:20 一个人的生活要有很多支点,当一个支点垮塌了,还剩下其他很多支点
-40:00 消费观也相应的需要调整,多给自己留条后路

Wednesday Oct 29, 2025

WARNING: This episode contains discussions of sensitive subject matter, including sexual content and foul language, which may be disturbing to some listeners. Listener discretion is advised. This content is not suitable for minors.
In this week’s episode, we invited our friend Shaun, who lives what might be one of the most unexpected double lives — an insurance strategist by day, and a go-go dancer by night. From boardrooms to the dance floor, Shaun shares how he first discovered his passion for dancing, and how he balances these two completely different worlds with confidence, humor, and a pair of high-heel boots.
He opens up about what it’s really like behind the scenes of go-go dancing — from the pay (spoiler: it’s not as glamorous as you think), to how he integrates his Chinese heritage into his performances. We also talked about the mental side of it: managing self-image, overcoming the fear of “what will people think,” and finding the courage to express your authentic self — both at work and on stage.
If you’ve ever wondered what it means to live boldly, chase your passion, or embrace all parts of who you are, this episode will definitely inspire you — and maybe even make you dance a little.
-1:09 Guest Introduction on his main job
-7:20 How did you find your passion and start acting on it as a Gogo dancer?
-19:30 “I have found my nature in the high-heel boots”
-21:55 How do you manage the two different personas?
-25:00 Doing go-go in Vancouver actually does not make as much as you thought
-28:00 Most of the go-go boys will have to get another job
-32:40 I integrate Chinese culture into my gogo dancing 
-37:40 Have you ever struggled with the fear of “what will people think”?-42:55 Do you feel like you were looking for permission before you could get into dancing?
-45:20 How do you stay fit to be performance-ready?
-49:00 “Please be kind to yourself before trying to add more in your life”

Sunday Oct 26, 2025

在当代职场,似乎每个人都在寻找一个平衡点——卷得太狠容易燃尽,躺得太彻底又怕被淘汰。那有没有一种更清醒、更自洽的活法?于是,我们提出了一个新概念:“清醒地卷,自洽地躺”——也就是当代打工人的仰卧起坐哲学。
在这一期节目中,小花和凯文聊了聊:面对不同的大环境,我们不能再用单一的价值观去绑架年轻人。清醒的卷,是知道自己为什么努力;自洽的躺,是明白什么时候该停下。我们还从《甄嬛传》中的安陵容聊到现代职场人的焦虑,从“梭哈人生”聊到如何控制期待与欲望——毕竟,一夜暴富的概率越来越小,但保持学习、照顾健康的意义却越来越大。
最后,我们也讨论了一个终极问题:在一个低欲望的时代,我们该如何不丧?也许答案就是——留一点时间给自己,保留一点热情给生活。希望这一期,能帮你找到属于自己的节奏,既不盲目内耗,也不轻易躺平。
Time Mark:
-0:50 清醒地卷和自洽地躺
-3:09 到底应该梭哈吗?
-4:30 不同的大环境下,不能用单一的价值观绑架年轻人
-7:40 所有的痛苦都来源于比较
-13:00 盲目地卷的代表人物——安陵容
-15:00 保持学习,并且控制期待,一夜暴富越来越难
-22:00 低欲望的环境,你应该怎么办?
-30:00 梭哈和背水一战有什么区别?
-35:30 控制自己的欲望,缩减开支
-39:24 留充沛的时间给自己的健康

Thursday Oct 02, 2025

你是否也曾梦想过,穿着笔挺的西装,踩着高跟鞋,手里拎着公文包,在都市金融中心的早晨人流中匆匆奔走?那一度是很多人心里关于“精致职场”的集体幻想。但如今,这样的场景似乎正在慢慢消失。
在这一期节目里,小花和凯文带你从回忆走进现实:从“黄金外企”的套装与星巴克,到今天办公室里的情绪摆件、远程办公的睡裤文化。我们聊到“精致”的褪色背后,既有经济环境的变化,也有代际价值观的分裂。80后追求“看起来成功”,而90/00后更在乎“活得舒服、干得有意义”。
最后,我们也一起探讨了未来的职场走向:在AI逐渐成为新型同事的时代,精致也许不再是表演,而是更个性化的选择。我们告别的不仅是一双高跟鞋,更是一个时代的幻梦;迎来的,是一个更真实、更复杂,却也更有潜力的职场未来。
 
-1:55 精致白领状态好像不复存在了
-3:14 小时候羡慕在机场休息室用电脑的精致打工人
-7:10 中产的新消费习惯
-10:24 大家的审美也与时俱进,不会用特定的穿着模版来judge你
-11:30 以前穿着是成功的入场券?
-17:00 职场人的核心诉求是不是变了?怎么舒服怎么来
-19:00 你向往的成功是什么样子的?
-24:00 00后的新思维是不是更加通透了
-31:00 之前的精致是乐在其中还是追求成功的一种画像?

Saturday Sep 20, 2025

In this week’s episode, we’re taking off - literally - into the world of aerospace with our guest, Mariana, a professional working in aerospace production. From her career beginnings to where she is today, Mariana shares how she first entered this field and whether working in aerospace was always part of her plan - or an unexpected turn in her journey.
We dived into her unique experience as a woman in a traditionally male-dominated industry, discussing the challenges she has faced, the moments where she felt she had to prove herself, and the strategies she used to navigate those situations. Along the way, she highlights the mentors, communities, and personal habits that have shaped her path.
For young women considering a career in STEM or anyone curious about aerospace, Mariana offers powerful advice, reflections, and a glimpse into what excites her most about the future of the industry. This episode is both inspiring and thought-provoking—whether you’re dreaming of working in tech, exploring career pivots, or simply want to hear how determination can carve out space in any industry.

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025

上班摸鱼,谁还不会点?这一期,凯文和小花终于聊到了一个每个打工人都深有共鸣的主题——如何用 AI 摸鱼?
从最经典的“带薪拉屎”到今天的“用 AI 自动写周报”,我们用轻松搞笑的方式回顾了那些年我们都用过的离谱摸鱼招式,同时也认真探讨了: -在 AI 帮你压缩工作量的同时,你有没有想过 工作之外 的可能性? -AI 能写文档,但你得会提问题、会批判性修改,别沦为搬运工! -如何通过摸鱼思维,反而拓宽你的职场边界?
最后,当然少不了纯享环节:“AI 时代以前的荒谬摸鱼大赏”,保证让你边听边笑边感叹:原来我们真的挺有创意的。
如果你今天正坐在格子间里刷播客,那这期就是为你量身打造的—— 摸鱼摸得有技术含量,才是新时代打工人的体面。
-0:50 上班摸鱼好像是打工人的常态
-2:02 除了带薪拉屎,现代人怎么用 AI 摸鱼?
-4:25 用 AI 提高工作效率和用ai 摸鱼的边界在哪里?
-5:24 AI 帮你摸鱼是帮你压缩工作量
-10:10 工作量压缩过后我们可以干嘛?
-11:20 用AI 生成的文档是可以溯源的,还是需要我们自己来调整
-14:20 以前的工作是工作本身,现在的工作有一部也是调整 AI 的prompt
-16:50 不要当 AI 的搬运工,找出ai可能出错的地方,然后拓宽我们的思考边界
-17:30 要保留修改痕迹,展现批判性思维
-18:10 不要老是让 AI 回答问题,要让 AI 帮你提问题
-22:30 利用 AI 摸鱼的时候我们要尽量体现我们人类的价值
-26:17 在有 AI 以前,荒谬的摸鱼大法分享 - 纯享版

Wednesday Aug 20, 2025

这一期,我们请来了一位很酷的嘉宾——Soma Mo,加拿大的“野生”珠宝首饰设计师。她的设计作品张扬、奔放,充满生命力,和她本人一样鲜活。
从一开始坚定“非艺术不搞”的理想主义,到降薪转行、远走他乡、背水一战踏入珠宝首饰设计行业,Soma 的职业之路没有标准答案,却充满热情与执着。她跟我们聊了很多关于坚持、关于美、也关于如何在加拿大这样的环境下从零开始,真正打开自己的局面。
我们聊到了她如何“死缠烂打”地在云南拜师錾刻师傅、如何维持创作灵感、如何在海外作为艺术家生存下去。如果你正在探索自己的热爱,或者正在犹豫要不要All in某件事,这一期你会找到力量。
Soma Mo 珠宝设计师网站:https://www.somamo.ca/
 
-2:25 嘉宾自我介绍,“野生”首饰设计师
-6:35 为什么那么坚定的一定要搞艺术,即使不是科班出身?
-8:55 降薪转战去设计公司工作,只为了和艺术更沾边
-10:55 怎么开始转战到珠宝设计?
-14:30 艺术这条路很难,有过放弃的念头吗?
-16:20 走上珠宝设计这条路,是背水一战
-18:20 干就完了,没有什么好担忧的
-21:00 在加拿大如何在首饰设计届打开局面? (干货)
-28:00 对美的感悟,是天赋异禀还是靠后天的努力?
-33:35 在加拿大首饰设计界创业,吃过的亏和踩过的坑
-35:20 给大家科普下什么是錾刻?它为什么独特
-37:00 执着不放弃,“死缠烂打” 的拜师过程
-42:55 作为全职艺术家(自由职业者),你的一天是怎么安排的?
-48:00 给从事艺术的想要搬到国外的小伙伴的建议
-49:20 作为艺术家,如何保持创作力?
 

Wednesday Aug 06, 2025

这一期终于轮到我们久违的主播分享啦!在各自忙碌的生活节奏中,我们居然不约而同地读了同一本书——《金钱心理学》(The Psychology of Money)。这不是一本教你怎么赚钱的书,而是一本探讨我们和“钱”之间微妙关系的书。这期我们就从书中挑出几个最触动我们的章节,聊聊金钱、选择、欲望与内心的平静。
我们讨论了财富和“有钱”的区别,为什么懂得适可而止比不断追求“更多”更难也更重要。
社交媒体放大了我们的欲望,却也让我们忽视了自己的节奏。我们还聊到如何建立复利型的人生策略,坚持长期主义,以及怎样才能在混乱的消费世界中找到真正让自己感到快乐的事。我们不是在教理财,而是试图从心理学的角度重新理解“钱”在我们生活中的角色。
如果你正在经历金钱焦虑,或对未来感到迷茫,这期可能会带给你一些新的视角。
希望我们真诚的对谈能让你意识到:60分的人生也值得,有选择的自由本身就是一种财富。而“够了”,有时候真的比“更多”更重要。
-02:00 我们为什么想要推荐这本书
-05:20 很多年前花纸币会潜意识的让我们少花钱,而现在花钱很没有概念
-07:45 总结提炼第一部分:财富和有钱到底有什么区别?
-12:40 跟自己比,能有能力做自由的选择就是财富的象征
-17:40 现在的社交媒体会潜意识的让我们把自己的生活和别人的生活做对比
-22:30 总结提炼第二部分:很多人因为不知道什么时候“够了”,最终在贪婪中赔光了一切
-25:15 复利的长期思维:坚持
-31:40 了解自己,什么对自己最重要,什么让自己最开心
-33:30 总结提炼第三部分:如何减少痛苦,让自己内心平静; 够了比更多更重要
-37:15 消费带来的多巴胺刺激会持续多久
-44:40 60分的人生也值得过,不要光盯着120分的生活

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025

This Episode marks a very special milestone - our 100th episode! Over the past 99 episodes, we've invited professionals from all walks of life to share stories about their careers, transitions, and personal insights. But for our 100th episode, we wanted to do something different, lighthearted, and a little unexpected.
So we invited Apollo, a bright and curious 10-year-old, to be our guest. Apollo lives in Washington State, loves hockey, math, science, and piano. As the first generation of AI Natives, he's already using AI tools to generate artwork and research pro athletes for fantasy sports. We asked him what he thinks about AI, what he imagines his future job might look like, and whether he’s more interested in becoming an NHL star, a NASA Engineer, or maybe both. Along the way, we also talked about his favourite books, role models, music, and what it’s like being a 10-year-old growing up in a tech-driven world.
If you’ve ever wondered how the next generation sees AI, or you just want to celebrate this 100th episode milestone with us in a fun and refreshing way, this is the episode for you. Thank you for listening and growing with us - and here’s to the next 100!
Time Mark:
-1:05 Special guest introduction
-4:00 Have you already experienced AI at school?
-5:45 Explain AI in one sentence
-9:10 How do you think AI will be involved in Hockey?
-12:00 “I still want to have a real coach, even now I have a ChatGPT coach.”
-13:45 Do you use an AI tool to analyze your hockey game
-14:00 “I feel it is more competitive now that everyone has access to ChatGPT as their coach.”
-16:20 How can AI play in the world of Math and Music?
-17:30 Does your teacher allow you to use ChatGPT to help with school work?
-20:00 Imagine you are 20 years old, what would you think your work day would look like?
-23:20 Where would you spend most of your time if, in the future, going to the office means managing a bunch of AI?
-25:40 How can AI help us throughout the day from morning to night?
-27:45 “A robot referee on the ice would not be biased.”
-30:30 “I would not go watch a hockey match that is played by AI robots because there will be no flights.”
-32:40 To Parents: What surprised you most about how easily kids like Apollo use AI?
-36:30 To Parents: Any rules you set at home?
-38:40 If you could set one AI rule for the whole world, what would it be?
-40:05 What would you tell another 10-year-old who wants to start using AI for projects?
-41:15 Finish this sentence: ‘In the future, I hope AI helps us ________.

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